Dual Clienting?

Dual clienting is when you open more than 1 RO client at the same time on your computer, it's generally used to buff oneself or to leech one character that is not very battle efficient by another character that is.

Things to consider:
It helps players individually (soloing) but discourages partying.
It's hard to control and check (some players know how to hex their client to bypass the no-dc option).

Note: @autotrade to have a merchant vending while you play does NOT count as dual clienting.

Voted no to it.

There is no way, I will allow that. This removes the helpness from player. People will get a priest and a SL then auto-buffs themselves. They will say having a party is useless, and then come the leeching option. I know it's useful for most people, but removes the fun once you hit certain level.

We wont have any SL btw but I know what you mean.

I don't know, I voted yes ... but if possible you could make just the people 90+ duel ... it would be more fair and people who wanted to duel would need to work for the commands

@Cookie, he didnt meant duel in the fighting way, but duel for having 2 RO windows open at the same time.

Neki wrote:@Cookie, he didnt meant duel in the fighting way, but duel for having 2 RO windows open at the same time.

Oh !! Hahaha, sorry for my mistake
Then I vote for NO, with double clienting you can do what Neki said and if you know somebody's password, it's easy to get her items

My bad, it's written dual instead of duel isn't it?

I mean openining 2 client window at once.

You said it wrong tempura, you Wrote "DUEL clienting" instead of "DUAL clienting" This is why Cookie got it wrong, I would also got tricked if I didnt read your post under the poll when I answered.

Yes my bad

I fixed it now.

That's a lot better....I guess? Anyway, I keep my opinion of it should no be allowed.

i vote no, because of the reasons posted above

I said no, for the reason of duping though you would need a trustable person if you want to trade items between accounts

hmmm...the only reason i will vote no is because no one voted yes ROFL

im not for or against it...

but some1 has to vote yes..ME!

its not a crime to help yourself...

whats the down/up side for having this?

would it have a huge impact on the server?

would it really open the door for duping?

will it give players more or less reason to play here?

what about people w/ only 1 computer compared to
people who has more...would it be fair for them if dual
clienting is not allowed?

will dual clienting make the server unbalance
given that this is a non-trans low rate server?

some1 care to join me w/ a yes vote? /sob

If dual clienting were to not be allowed, then people who happens to have 2 computers wouldn't/shouldn't be allowed to use 2 characters either.

Allowing people to dual clienting would not open up a risk for duping. If there were a risk for that, then it wouldn't make a difference whether or not dual clienting were allowed.

It would have a huge impact on the server, since it's either people playing alone with 3-4 characters leeching himself/herself. Or people partying.

Dual clienting would make priests and sages a lot less useful. So yes, it would shake the balance a bit.
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Allowing dual clienting would just make the players more distant to eachother. A lot of people would just level up a main character while leeching his priest slave. That way he will never need to party, unless he goes for a really hard dungeon or mvping.

This would just render priests more or less useless except in WoE.

As for sages, people who wants to play as a support sages can just forget about that build. Most people that wants to endow their weapons would just make a slave sage anyway.

I voted no.
The main reason is that with dual client players won't be able to hack, and GM's would be unable to transfer items/zeny to "Non"-GM Accounts. With other words; For security.

However, there are still many ways to ignore dual clienting.
Hm... let's just hope players won't come up with this.

A bit of explanation is required I think. Like SZiaDaN said, Double clienting is not related in any way to duping or cheating, if someone is trying to cheat, hack or dupe and they need trading they can find an accomplice to do it, double clienting is the least of our problem if that happens.

While I don't like double clienting one of the problem is that it is hard to monitor, specially the situation of someone who has 2 computers! Anyone has suggestions on that?

Well yes, it is hard to monitor. However, it usually is pretty obvious when someone is dual clienting.

If 2 or more accounts were to login from the same IP, you could "try" to keep an eye on them if you have time. If 1 of them are just standing around buffing the other person when needed then it would most likely be a case of dual clienting.

Also, people tend to get suspicous and report it when someone is/might be dual clienting.

Either way, having it off by default and having rules against will make most people not dual clienting.

monitoring people who has the same IP is troublesome
even if you consider them dual clienting proving it wont be easy

take for example RO players in the Philippines..
majority of them go to an internet cafe to play.
ergo 1 ip for all players/computers..
and most of them join private servers in groups
monitoring them all would be a waste of time...

plus, even if you consider some1 dual clienting and your proof is they don't
talk back or just stand around and have the same IP would that be sufficient
evidence to punish them given that most players play inside an internet cafe
and could prolly be afk, don't feel like talking, don't know your language or maybe shy..
whatever the reason..

i my self have 2 computers w/ dif ip
if i play using both PC that would be
safe dual clienting

or if some1 has 2 computers w/ same ip
and uses a software like anchorfree
it would be safe to dual client

lets talk about punishment IP ban?
temporary ip ban? account ban? jail time? etc...
players will just leave.....
saying in RMS reviews i didn't dual client but i got punished for it

to hex a client is like normal nowadays

all we can do is discourage the use of it
disconnect players from the server
who doesn't talk/idle and has identical IP
... or maybe some1 has something better in mind XD

again I'm not for it nor against it
just making conversation

Wall of text, coming up

monitoring people who has the same IP is troublesome
even if you consider them dual clienting proving it wont be easy

It's about as much troublesome as bot-checking. As for proving it, like I said, if they are just standing around buffing all the time, on multiple occasions not just once, then you've pretty much proven it.

take for example RO players in the Philippines..
majority of them go to an internet cafe to play.
ergo 1 ip for all players/computers..
and most of them join private servers in groups
monitoring them all would be a waste of time...

If they were a group of people then it wouldn't be any problem. Since they all would be running around doing their own thing most of the time.
If 1 of them were dual clienting, then he would always have a second person running tightly after him with "autofollow" or just sitting on the same field as him or just standing in town. And, he would probably also just be buffing himself and friends when they come by.
It usually is pretty obvious when someone is dual clienting.

Sure the person could be coming with excuses that would be hard to prove such as "it was my little brother playing that character, he was just afk so I told him to buff me when I came to town". However, if the same thing happens over and over and over again. Then you can pretty much conclude that "his little brother" isn't even playing the game, he's only being a buff slave.

plus, even if you consider some1 dual clienting and your proof is they don't
talk back or just stand around and have the same IP would that be sufficient
evidence to punish them given that most players play inside an internet cafe
and could prolly be afk, don't feel like talking, don't know your language or maybe shy..
whatever the reason..

I meant that you'd check them more than once, if they only buff someone then stand there afk all the time, that's when you act on it.

I my self have 2 computers w/ dif ip
if i play using both PC that would be
safe dual clienting

or if some1 has 2 computers w/ same ip
and uses a software like anchorfree
it would be safe to dual client

Never said checking IP's would be the only thing you can do against it, though following IP's usually is easier. There's always ways to get around an IP. When doing bot checks, you could find people dual clienting as well.

lets talk about punishment IP ban?
temporary ip ban? account ban? jail time? etc...
players will just leave.....
saying in RMS reviews i didn't dual client but i got punished for it

They shouldn't have done it to begin with.
That's the same as saying that people would leave if you ban some of them for botting. Then writing reviews saying they didn't bot.
I'm not saying that dual clienting should be as serious of a crime as botting though.

thanks for the wall of text SZiaDaN love you
point taken

my point is that i cant convict some1 for dual clienting on a mere conclusion and some standing, sitting and buffing screen shots and same IP
further more dual client users are always online so i bet they will talk back when you check them specially those who has 2 computers and has a work around for the IP...
it would take several man hours or forever to gather much more compelling evidence,. i would rather spend it doing something more productive

while w/ bots its easy to get hard evidence to convict someone of botting one that they cant deny doing
even if they make a review about not botting and getting ban for it...

what i mean to say is if i was the one who punished a dual client user
(mild or harsh punishment or just a warning)
i cant rebuttal what he or she would say, server review or not based on my conclusion and some screenies (standing,buffing,sitting,same-ip)

the point is
what GM tempura said is true and undeniable
its hard to control

people tried to
but failed
been witness to a lot of it


but i concede
poll for NO is a win 8 - 1

Near unanimous on no double client, we'll do our best to monitor it and punish those who break the rule.